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Chris brings along a number of objects that shaped his book, including a fox skull, a set of hawk bells and a Clash ticket, as he explains why he has more honest relationships with animals than he does with people.
Chris reminisces about badger watching in a pair of bondage trousers, talks about how children don’t explore the outdoors enough, and explains why it’s important to suck up every last drop of life.
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